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I'm going to be starting an epistane cycle in two weeks time i have my cycle assist, and pct in place and my epistane cycle is going to run six weeks 30mg a day, i want to get the best results possible and i know diet is key to this, i plan to be at 10%bf when i start and i know i should be at least 9% when i finished my cycle even as i'm using it as a bulking cycle.

As i said above diet is the key here, i have bulked many times but without using pro-hormone or steriods before, i have been stalling in my strength gains this last 6-8 weeks no matter what i do although age i think is starting to play its roll in my body starting to slow up i'm 35.

Is mans or glad a good enough diet to use when on epistane or should i go for the more conventional bulking diet 40/40/20 or 45/35/20 as calories is gona make me grow, i see mans and glad don't really shoot above maintenance that much and i don't know if it would be any good for this cycle or not as epistane really eats up the bodyfat from what i'v read in other forums that people use it for a really good lean bulk with most people averaging 7-10 pounds muscle and 1% drop in bf on conventional diets, what calories should i reach for on this bulk should i go for the more conventional diet which starts of 500 above maintenance or would i see the same results from mans or glad shooting 200-300 above maintenance.

Has anyone used epistane in this forum and used mans or glad or have they done conventional bulking with it before and what gains did they get?

Please serious feedback only from people who have used this compound on any of these diets and from people who know alot about diet when on this compound, i just want to know which diet would be best, i know enough about epistane and diet but not when on this sort of compound, and i want to get the best results possible, and i have researched it for about two years so i just want to know about which diet would be best.

Thanks in advance.

nic wrote:As i said above diet is the key here, i have bulked many times but without using pro-hormone or steriods before, i have been stalling in my strength gains this last 6-8 weeks no matter what i do although age i think is starting to play its roll in my body starting to slow up i'm 35.

And you should continue to bulk without using pro-hormones and steroids. A stall in strength gains can happen for a whole host of reasons (bad diet, unwanted adaptation, overtraining, genetic limit, undiagnosed illness or hormone imbalance, etc.), and steroids are a hell of a gamble.

That said, it's your body, put in it what you want - but you're really asking in the wrong forum. The blog associated with this forum (MuscleHack.com) advocates natural bodybuilding - i.e. no steroids. I genuinely doubt you will find the advice you are seeking here. I would recommend you take the diet information and ask the guys at Steroidology.com, AnabolicMinds.com, or Bodybuilding.com, where you are more likely to find steroid users who could look over MANS and GLAD with you, and help you make a determination on the efficacy of such a diet. Bear in mind, you are going on "bro science" at that point, which may be ground in little more than anecdotal evidence, tradition, and speculation, but it's a free country and Epistane isn't illegal - yet.

Epistane isn't illegal - yet.

Does this mean Epistane is safe or that no study has been made to say it isn’t? I mean if it is legal and ok to use and on the market I would be interested but not sure how to use it and would you still use THT routine program to get optimal results, and would GLADS be a better diet, and would you increase your protein use while taking Epistane.

stickupkid wrote:Epistane isn't illegal - yet.

Does this mean Epistane is safe or that no study has been made to say it isn’t? I mean if it is legal and ok to use and on the market I would be interested but not sure how to use it and would you still use THT routine program to get optimal results, and would GLADS be a better diet, and would you increase your protein use while taking Epistane.

Epistane is a syntehtic steroids. Synthetic steroids invariably end up classified as Schedule III controlled substances. Because of the slow speed at which the DEA works (or doesn't work), manufacturers can race products to market that they know damn well are going to end up as controlled substances, and sell them as supplements until they get the DEA's attention and are removed from the market. As of this exact split second, it is legal due to a loophole and only due to a loophole, not because of its efficacy or safety or anything else. And bear in mind, legality and safety have nothing to do with each other. Legal drugs end up killing people and getting recalled all the time.

As to whether or not Epistane in particular is safe - it's a damn steroid. The very limited research I can find on it indicates it is safer than other oral anabolic steroids, but that doesn't really take much to accomplish. I'm not finding any unbiased research that it is or isn't, so I'm not in a position to tell you that it is or isn't safe. Make of that what you will.

I have done some reading and some side effects I don't like.