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redgiki wrote:

The beauty of this protein is that it is easily dissolvable in any liquid. Just pour, stir, and drink.

Well, yes and no. If you let it get too hot, it cooks. And it doesn't take much heat to do it. Warm coffee is OK, get the protein actually "hot" an it will turn into a pebbled, gritty goo that my co-workers referred to as "glop" when I ate it.

Curiously, soy protein doesn't share this same characteristic, and is great for cooking. Lately I've been enjoying experimentation with soy protein quite a bit. Not that I want it to be a primary protein source, but it's cheap, doesn't taste awful, and provides lots of protein in a cook-able form.

--Matt B.

True regarding the HOT coffee as well as tea. I guess my coffee maker just makes it just right

Protein shakes should on days you need to recover. What most people forget is recovery from a intense workout may take up to 72 hours depending on the glycogen loads deplete and the energy utilized for the workout and for normal body functions through out the day. First if Protein shake means a "protein only" shake stay away. This is what we give patients needing to lose weight. Protein needs additional calories that burn at the same rate as the protein to spare the protein to release amino acids needed for recovery. If you drink protein only shakes this greatly slows down the process and even reverses the recovery process. So, it depends on what your drinking and eating whether the shake will help with recovery.

rsand24 wrote:First if Protein shake means a "protein only" shake stay away... Protein needs additional calories that burn at the same rate as the protein to spare the protein to release amino acids needed for recovery. If you drink protein only shakes this greatly slows down the process and even reverses the recovery process.

Assuming your proposition that "protein needs additional calories" is correct, cannot those calories come from abundant fats and ketones, both from dietary and body fat?

--Matt B.

redgiki wrote:

rsand24 wrote:First if Protein shake means a "protein only" shake stay away... Protein needs additional calories that burn at the same rate as the protein to spare the protein to release amino acids needed for recovery. If you drink protein only shakes this greatly slows down the process and even reverses the recovery process.

Assuming your proposition that "protein needs additional calories" is correct, cannot those calories come from abundant fats and ketones, both from dietary and body fat?

--Matt B.

The assumption is a physiological principle of the protein sparing effect. The other is the specific dynamic action of protein. Protein in the absences of additional calories requires more kcal to burn 1 gm than is available in the protein, so the additional calories would need to be taken with the protein shake. But that leads into a different problem requiring the ratio between PRO, FATS and CHO to be appropriate for the building of muscle instead of causing weight loss.

rsand24 wrote:Protein in the absences of additional calories requires more kcal to burn 1 gm than is available in the protein, so the additional calories would need to be taken with the protein shake.

I understand futile cycling and gluconeogenesis consume some of the nutritional value of protein, but I'm skeptical that 1 gram of protein in isolation provides less energy (~4kcal) than it requires to process (>4kcal). Do you have any links to support this hypothesis?

--Matt B.

IF you need the shakes to get enough protein (1 gram per lb of body weight), go ahead. If you can get enough protein through whole food, there's no need for a shake.