Body Fat % too high for MANS?

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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby lizzieliz29 on Thu May 19, 2011 6:07 pm

OK Ketosis question, I swear this is the last one JoH,

So these Ketostix I am peeing on say that my Ketones are virtually non existant. I am at 28-30g carbs everyday since Monday. I want to be in ketosis to ensure I am burning fat correct? In the past it has only taken me 3 days to get there so I am being a little impatient. But ketosis is where I want to be for fat burn, correct? Should I drop to 25 or 26g? So far The carbs I have been eating are from egg whites, flaxseeds, spinach, avocado & low carb tortilla's.
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby JoH on Fri May 20, 2011 2:27 am

lizzieliz29 wrote:OK Ketosis question, I swear this is the last one JoH,

It's never the last question, Lizzie, there's always something new to learn!! I spend hours digging through research journals to answer my own questions, it's honestly become part of the fun for me to expand my knowledge as well as improve my physique. :D

lizzieliz29 wrote:So these Ketostix I am peeing on say that my Ketones are virtually non existant. I am at 28-30g carbs everyday since Monday. I want to be in ketosis to ensure I am burning fat correct? In the past it has only taken me 3 days to get there so I am being a little impatient. But ketosis is where I want to be for fat burn, correct? Should I drop to 25 or 26g? So far The carbs I have been eating are from egg whites, flaxseeds, spinach, avocado & low carb tortilla's.


Ketostix check for the presence of acetone - one of a pantheon of ketone bodies - in your urine. That's it. They cannot tell you if you are burning fat from food or fat from the body. My own personal experience is eating at maintenance or above maintenance on MANS, for me those things turn Barney-purple within a week, if I get more than sufficient water (like over a gallon a day) they go paler, but on TSPA they stay white - nevermind that the measurements and what I see in the mirror tell me yes the fat is in fact coming off.

You are absolutely 1000000% correct that ketosis is where you want to be for fat burn. You just might drive yourself a little bonkers relying on the Ketostix to confirm it. There's a million reasons for this - individual differences in metabolism, how well or how poorly your body burns ketones, what you've had to eat, hydration levels, and on an on. Ultimately, your results (or lack thereof) are going to be a better guide, anyway. You'll get bright purple ketostix eating a diet of 4,000 calories a day of butter, too - but you sure as hell won't get the results you want! If you want to drop to 25 or 26g a day, you certainly can do so, but I suggest giving it a good 2 weeks before you make adjustments, since your carb intake really needs to be dictated by performance at the gym more than anything else. Also, if you really want to make good and sure you're in ketosis, Ketostix be damned, the most sure-fire way to induce ketosis is to exercise after fasting - as in first thing in the morning, before breakfast. Just have your creatine (and maybe a no doz or mix your creatine in coffee instead of water) and off to the gym you go. :)
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby lizzieliz29 on Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:59 am

Down 7lbs and another dress size so far!!!! Haven't checked BF%, but I am sure that it is down too, because I am making serious gains and seeing more muscle all over! Muscle does burn fat ! Hell Fat burns fat!
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby JoH on Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:54 pm

lizzieliz29 wrote:Down 7lbs and another dress size so far!!!! Haven't checked BF%, but I am sure that it is down too, because I am making serious gains and seeing more muscle all over! Muscle does burn fat ! Hell Fat burns fat!


*ahem*

WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! GO LIZZIE GO!!!!!!

Proud of you, girl. Keep it up!
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby cdmn on Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:24 am

JoH,

Returning to your previous post about trans-fat.
How to know if food I'm buying has these fats? What's the actual name here?
Monounsaturated and/or polyunsaturated?

Thanks!
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby toeser on Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:28 pm

Here in the US - they tell you right on the label. I am looking at my natural peanut butter and it breaks down fat as follows.

Total Fat
- Sat Fat
- Trans Fat
- Polyunsat Fat
- Monounsat Fat
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Re: Body Fat % too high for MANS?

Postby JoH on Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:01 pm

cdmn wrote:JoH,

Returning to your previous post about trans-fat.
How to know if food I'm buying has these fats? What's the actual name here?
Monounsaturated and/or polyunsaturated?

Thanks!


You know food you buy has trans fat the same way you know everything else about it - you check the label. :)

Mono- and polyunsaturated fats aren't trans fat, they're just ordinary naturally occurring fat, meriting no special treatment. The line-item for the pure evil form of fat on the nutritional box literally says "Trans Fat". The number after it should be ZERO. Partially hydrogenated oils fall in this category, so be especially careful with spreads and butters. If you do not see Trans Fat listed on the label at all, you're good to go (at least in the US).
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