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Re: Diet questions

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:07 pm

marochka_raduga wrote:
BigBeck89 wrote:Oh god!!! pork cracklins would be the downfall of me :D ... chuck steaks, and cheeses, and butter, and and....oh god now im hungry...guess its time for a salad :(
I think you and I must be related! :lol: (although I can't just keep the carbs low and maintain on tons of fat, I actually have to keep my calories in check too... double whammy of being a woman I guess. :evil: )


haha maybe..but that's a pain. I used to count calories when I was doing a traditional diet...nearly drove me insane...i couldn't eat anywhere except in front of my computer so that I could weigh everything and enter it into fitday...thank god that's over!
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Re: Diet questions

Postby marochka_raduga on Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:09 pm

BigBeck89 wrote:i couldn't eat anywhere except in front of my computer so that I could weigh everything and enter it into fitday...
If you weren't so much younger than me I'd say we were twins separated at birth!!! :lol: People laugh at me because I bring my own condiments, cheese, tortillas, etc., and I have a pocket scale in my purse for weighing everything. Honestly, my body may be healthier than in late 2007, but my OCD behavior has gone off the charts... :oops:
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Re: Diet questions

Postby redgiki on Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:17 pm

marochka_raduga wrote:...double whammy of being a woman I guess...


Triple-whammy: you don't even weigh a buck and a half soaking wet.
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Re: Diet questions

Postby marochka_raduga on Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:36 pm

redgiki wrote:Triple-whammy: you don't even weigh a buck and a half soaking wet.
Hey, I worked my ass off for almost a year to get below that! And apparently I'm going to have to work my ass off for another year to get above it again (with muscle, not fat) too... :roll:
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Re: Diet questions

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:34 pm

marochka_raduga wrote:If you weren't so much younger than me I'd say we were twins separated at birth!!!


I would agree I just looked at your profile and you're listed as occupation:computer geek (im currently majoring in computer science) and youre active in a topic "
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Re: Diet questions

Postby blah8065 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:35 pm

just wondering is there any fats people stay away from..or is any fatty meat, chicken, fish, cheese, etc ok to eat, if it has very low to no carbs?

And on Cottage cheese does everyone get the fattest variety? I usually like low fat, and I'm wondering if I should switch or not?

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Re: Diet questions

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:44 pm

blah8065 wrote:just wondering is there any fats people stay away from..or is any fatty meat, chicken, fish, cheese, etc ok to eat, if it has very low to no carbs?

And on Cottage cheese does everyone get the fattest variety? I usually like low fat, and I'm wondering if I should switch or not?

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ok the ONLY fat that you want to really avoid is man-made trans fat, I would go with full fat cottage cheese, but if your eating for a carb up day fat free might be better, but just remember it has a decent amount of carbs in it
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Re: Diet questions

Postby triple on Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:24 pm

BigBeck89 wrote:(im currently majoring in computer science) and youre active in a topic "


It's ridiculous how everybody on this board seems to be involved in some sort of technical geekery. Aren't we supposed to be the skinny, pale, hunched-over nerds?

blah8065 wrote:just wondering is there any fats people stay away from..or is any fatty meat, chicken, fish, cheese, etc ok to eat, if it has very low to no carbs?

And on Cottage cheese does everyone get the fattest variety? I usually like low fat, and I'm wondering if I should switch or not?


It depends on your metabolism... I have to eat quite a bit more than usual to gain anything, so I don't avoid any fats - it's a struggle to get them. Chicken doesn't have a lot of fats though, from what I remember - beef and pork have the most fats. Be careful with cheese, somewhere on the forums there's a thread about how cheese can act as an anti-anabolic (it also tends to have hidden carbs). Cottage cheese has more carbs than most cheeses, so it's probably better to severely limit your intake

BigBeck89 wrote:ok the ONLY fat that you want to really avoid is man-made trans fat


The trans-fats aren't as big of a deal if you're eating low-carb, it seems that most of the problems come from having it with carbs. Obviously you don't want to be drinking fried grease, but I don't think they're something to be overly worried about on the MANS diet unless you have a LOT of them.
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Re: Diet questions

Postby redgiki on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:24 pm

triple wrote:...somewhere on the forums there's a thread about how cheese can act as an anti-anabolic (it also tends to have hidden carbs).


To be clear, I'm the one responsible for that rumor, and I've apologized for it. Cheese is fine for anabolism, particularly if it's hard, aged, and of the really fatty variety. The time it's anti-anabolic is if you have an existing Candida overgrowth (very common in the obese) or if it's a softer cheese and you are lactose or casein-intolerant, and in that situation it can be anti-anabolic and also dramatically slow fat loss. I'm lactose-intolerant, and hard cheese are the only ones I can eat without discomfort. Being hunched over your toilet shitting your brains out is no fun, and certainly doesn't lend itself to wanting to do squats and deadlifts, as well as depressing your metabolism because you're so sick and not absorbing nutrients as you should.

Basic rule is that you need to go by what's right for your body. Eliminating cheese for a month or two, for many people, is a great plateau-busting technique when trying to prune away more fat. Why not hold that technique in reserve for when you go for 2-3 weeks with no fat loss?

The trans-fats aren't as big of a deal if you're eating low-carb, it seems that most of the problems come from having it with carbs.


To clarify: the effect of trans fats on your lipid profile is statistical noise compared to the HUGE improvement going low-carb will make to the triglyceride, small LDL, and HDL ratios in your blood. My opinion (I'm not a doctor) is because going low-carb makes such an enormous improvement to your lipid profile, the effect of trans-fats with their little 2%-3% difference can be largely ignored. If, however, you're trying to optimize your blood profile (I'm in the bodybuilding game for my health and not to get freakishly large), that extra 2%-3% might be worth fighting for. But the fact is, if you eliminate the crap foods from your diet, the small amount of trans fats you'll eat from frying and searing your meats really won't matter to your overall chance of mortality and heart disease.

Obviously you don't want to be drinking fried grease, but I don't think they're something to be overly worried about on the MANS diet unless you have a LOT of them.


To the contrary, I've started saving my beef tallow to cook other foods in. The more fat I eat, the easier it seems to be for me to stay on-plan, losing fat, and gaining muscle (or at least LOOKING like I'm gaining muscle)...

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