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Postby GT_907 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:42 am

does eating alot of saturated fat cause fatty liver? I still drink moderately, eat super low carbs on the weekdays, following the MANS diet etc. Just wondering eating alot of saturated animal fat causes fatty liver in the short/long run....
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Postby redgiki on Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:56 pm

The number one cause of fatty liver is drinking.
The number two cause is obesity.

It is extremely rare among the non-obese and non-alcoholic populations. Saturated fat is a factor in obesity among those who eat a high carbohydrate diet. The effects of a low-carb diet overwhelm (in a good way) the effects of saturated fat since you use it for fuel rather than storing it. In fact, it's a little bit more efficient fuel source than other fats (it's "saturated" with hydrogen).

Fatty liver is reversible among the obese, in most cases, with permanent weight loss.

I am not a doctor; this is not medical advice.

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Re: fatty liver?

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:30 pm

Saturated Fat has been made evil with little evidence to back it up. There have been plenty of studies that show the more saturated fat you eat, the higher the amount of circulating testosterone you have.

Your main concern shouldn't be the saturated fat, but the polyunsaturated fat that most people get to much of. the ideal ratio in your body is 1:1 but most people who eat typically American get anywhere from 10-30:1 omega6 to omega 3...best bet is to find a good omega 3 supp...

I'm not a doctor either, but if you want more info you could read Good Calories, Bad Calorie or The Great Cholesterol Con or check out sites like DR.Eads, MDA, and Lifestyle..

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/
http://lifespotlight.com/health/2008/09 ... ne-levels/ (this is a funny post on lifestyle :) )
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Re: fatty liver?

Postby GT_907 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:39 pm

saturated animal fat is what kind of fat? I eat mostly beef ( in the form of fatty ribeyes), chicken thighs, whole eggs, deep fried pork fat skins, lamb, cheese etc. I don't really like taking 'fat pills', like omega 3, 6 or whatever and prefer to get it from animal fats... so that being said, as long as I do maintain virtually zero carb most of the week, I should be fine til the carb up days right? the bouncing back between the high fat/protein, low carb to low fat, moderate protein, high carb shouldn't do any harm?? :?
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Postby marochka_raduga on Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:04 pm

GT_907 wrote:saturated animal fat is what kind of fat? I eat mostly beef ( in the form of fatty ribeyes), chicken thighs, whole eggs, deep fried pork fat skins, lamb, cheese etc. I don't really like taking 'fat pills', like omega 3, 6 or whatever and prefer to get it from animal fats... so that being said, as long as I do maintain virtually zero carb most of the week, I should be fine til the carb up days right? the bouncing back between the high fat/protein, low carb to low fat, moderate protein, high carb shouldn't do any harm?? :?
I think Matt meant the concern is with the typical "high-everything" diet. So porking out on a giant ham sandwich with butter and cheese on a couple of slabs of white bread or a huge bowl of pasta alla carbonara/alfredo, and doing that every day-- that'll probably get you into trouble. Pork rinds, eggs, juicy steak and salad most of the week followed by oatmeal, lean chicken breast and salad on carb-up days is not what he's talking about.

And now, because I can't restrain myself, and in case any of you has a fat cat you're thinking of putting on a diet:
Fatty liver (hepatic lipidosis) is an extremely grave condition that can kill your cat. Cats, unlike people and dogs, do not access stored body fat for their energy needs very effectively. They're not made for fasting conditions, and you should never let your cat go more than 24 hours without eating. So don't try to underfeed your cat a lot to make it lose weight quickly, and if she doesn't eat properly for more than 24 hours it's time to start assist-feeding her. If she starts building up fat in her liver as a result of not eating, it will be a long, expensive and exhausting recovery for both of you, assuming she can in fact recover. (OK, sorry, I'm a bit of a cat health nerd, having nursed a cat with kidney failure for over three years. :ugeek: </soapbox>)
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Re: fatty liver?

Postby GT_907 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:30 pm

hmm.. interesting tid bit about the cats. I never knew that. I'll make sure to be careful if I ever have a kitten that plumps up too quickly.

That's a good thing to know about the fat info concerning my diet as well. I have always been a fan of animal fat and would be devastated if I was forced ( medically ) to stop eating it. Since being on low carb I feel soooooo much better then when eating carbs, I always felt like something was wrong but I just didn't know what. Carbs, simple especially- seems to make me feel borderline insane at times, jitter, spaced out, manic, that works. Fat not only calms me down, but down right puts me to sleep at times!
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Re: fatty liver?

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:58 pm

GT_907 wrote:saturated animal fat is what kind of fat? I eat mostly beef ( in the form of fatty ribeyes), chicken thighs, whole eggs, deep fried pork fat skins, lamb, cheese etc. I don't really like taking 'fat pills', like omega 3, 6 or whatever and prefer to get it from animal fats... so that being said, as long as I do maintain virtually zero carb most of the week, I should be fine til the carb up days right? the bouncing back between the high fat/protein, low carb to low fat, moderate protein, high carb shouldn't do any harm?? :?



You might not like to take "fat pills" but unless you start adding in more fatty fish your omega 3 is going to majorly lacking in comparison to omega 6...this is a separate issue from saturated fats really. There are saturated fats and unsaturated fats. Saturated include natural animal and plant fats(think coconut) and unsaturated can be broken down to polyunsaturated and monounsaturated. beef and chicken skin are higher in polyunsaturated(especially commercial massed produced animals) but I personally cannot afford(college student) to by grass fed and finished products. so since the real issue is the ratio, taking an omega3 supplement allows me to enjoy my steak and keep my level balanced
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