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should i count the protein grams in cheddar cheese and peanut butter towards my diet? Im asking this because i heard that certain proteins are not really absorbed well. How effective are the proteins in peanut butter and cheddar cheese?

mykim0 wrote:should i count the protein grams in cheddar cheese and peanut butter towards my diet? Im asking this because i heard that certain proteins are not really absorbed well. How effective are the proteins in peanut butter and cheddar cheese?

Interesting question. I don't know, I get at least 1x my body weight (which for me is 170lb) in grams per day... most days I go over into 200-220 grams, so I don't worry about that. I just eat lots of different proteins.

I'd say it counts. My gut feeling is that the "fudge factor" for varying bio-availability is built into the fact that we shoot for 2.75 grams of protein per kg of lean body mass. I suspect that if we ate nothing but whey protein isolate and egg albumen in the exact proper proportion and timed perfectly that we wouldn't need as much. Does that make sense?

marochka_raduga wrote:I'd say it counts. My gut feeling is that the "fudge factor" for varying bio-availability is built into the fact that we shoot for 2.75 grams of protein per kg of lean body mass. I suspect that if we ate nothing but whey protein isolate and egg albumen in the exact proper proportion and timed perfectly that we wouldn't need as much. Does that make sense?

I had to do the metric math, so for me, 171 pounds, that's about 215 grams protein, which is about what I get... I don't overeat protein. I do believe it can add to fat gains.

I think metabolism plays huge role. I am trying a gain phase now and I am trying to find a sweet spot for gaining weight. At 150lbsBW with 300g protein,350g carbs and 70g fats and still weigh the same. I am training 6 times a week right now(only weights-train each part twice a week). I think protein can't go over 300g for me at least,it is already too much. I will increase my fats to 100(+270kcal) and see what happens.

undertaker610 wrote:I think metabolism plays huge role. I am trying a gain phase now and I am trying to find a sweet spot for gaining weight. At 150lbsBW with 300g protein,350g carbs and 70g fats and still weigh the same. I am training 6 times a week right now(only weights-train each part twice a week). I think protein can't go over 300g for me at least,it is already too much. I will increase my fats to 100(+270kcal) and see what happens.

If you find your sweet spot, let us know! That would be interesting to see, especially for GLAD-i-dieters

When I am talking about sweet spot I am talking for a point that I am gaining 1/4-1/2 pounds a week,not some magical spot for macronutritients on GLAD,haha, really I wasn't trying to say that . Anyway my point was more on the protein.

undertaker610 wrote:When I am talking about sweet spot I am talking for a point that I am gaining 1/4-1/2 pounds a week,not some magical spot for macronutritients on GLAD,haha, really I wasn't trying to say that . Anyway my point was more on the protein.

Darn, I was really hoping you'd find a sweet spot or at least a formula for how we muscle-builders would get to a perfect balance of carbohydrates which would merely feed the organs and deliver glycogen. Sorry!

andrewpmast wrote:I had to do the metric math, so for me, 171 pounds, that's about 215 grams protein, which is about what I get...

That's 2.75 grams per pound of lean body mass, not total body mass, Andrew. So you're looking at ((171 - (171 * 0.138)) / 2.2) * (2.75) = 184.25. So your target's ~185. If you're eating an extra 30 grams of protein, that's roughly equivalent to an extra 17 grams of carbs. Since I'm doing GLAD right now, I wouldn't care about that, but if you're getting up in arms about the milligrams of maltodextrin in your fiber therapy, you might want to consider it.

marochka_raduga wrote:

andrewpmast wrote:I had to do the metric math, so for me, 171 pounds, that's about 215 grams protein, which is about what I get...

That's 2.75 grams per pound of lean body mass, not total body mass, Andrew. So you're looking at ((171 - (171 * 0.138)) / 2.2) * (2.75) = 184.25. So your target's ~185. If you're eating an extra 30 grams of protein, that's roughly equivalent to an extra 17 grams of carbs. Since I'm doing GLAD right now, I wouldn't care about that, but if you're getting up in arms about the milligrams of maltodextrin in your fiber therapy, you might want to consider it.

Thanks Michelle... no doubt, I am very interested in what you've presented. I don't need 17 extra carbs right now... it's bad enough with these darn-nabbit hidden ones.