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Re: Protein

Postby redgiki on Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:18 pm

omaragha wrote:...I just sometimes cant be bothered to cook is all.


Do what I do: Cook just a couple of times per week. Load up the grill with hamburgers, chicken breast, fish, etc. Just go on a cooking frenzy for like one hour. Hamburgers cook in 5-6 minutes; fish and chicken a little longer, but 10 minutes tops. On my big George Foreman, I can whip up a week's worth of protein in around one hour; on my outdoor grille, even more.

Next, spend an hour shopping. Pick up your high-protein & high-fat convenience foods as well as your carb sources: pork rinds, dry-roasted edamame, nuts, hard cheeses, frozen or fresh berries, lots of tuna, sliced pre-cooked ham, cream cheese, veggies, etc.

Now, take one more hour and pre-package this stuff into meals for the week. I cut my chicken breast into 100g servings and wrap them in Glad sandwich bags. Same with my burgers, though I usually put a slice of cheese in with them because if I'm eating a hamburger, I need the fat anyway. I wrap up my walnuts and edamame in 30g servings in those Glad bags, too.

That's it. 3 hours a week, and you have a whole week's worth of protein ready-to-eat. Chuck in some broccoli with your lunches, as broccoli self-steams in the microwave, and keep salad fixings ready so you can just chop them up and toss them in a big 1-gallon bag to take to work/school/whatever.

The only prep work I have to do on a daily basis is to chop up my salad fixings (they bruise and taste gross after a couple of days if sliced too far in advance) and if I'm eating my tuna with mayo or cream cheese, I have to mix that. It's not "cooking" by any means, but preparing my meals for the day is perhaps a 10 or 15-minute daily discipline.

You certainly don't have to cook every day to eat like a body builder. Cooking once a week and living on leftovers is how I live my life! Of course, the problem I have is that my kids will often grab my protein sources during the week if they are ready-cooked and convenient -- I don't object, I love for them to make healthy choices! -- so I really have to over-cook to have a hope of not cooking again mid-week.

On another note I have started using Fitday...


Great step. Fitday.com or thedailyplate.com tracking are a superb daily diligence that will serve you well. When you screw up your diet, if you track religiously, you'll know EXACTLY why something didn't work. I really messed up this week because we had too many sweets around the house (excuse alert! excuse alert!), and those Snickers bars are TRACKED, baby, yeah!

In order to gain lean mass and lose fat what should be my calorie intake a day ?


If you are low-carbing, ignore calories to start. Focus on eating enough fats to stay satiated, enough protein to meet your daily targets, and keep your carb count down to 30g/day or less until you're fat-adapted (usually a two-week process). If you are currently over-fat, eating low-carb will usually cause you to lose fat without any caloric restriction whatsoever. If you're obese, go ahead and put yourself on a five thousand calorie a day diet if you like, and you'll still drop substantial body fat -- NOT water weight! -- for the first couple of months as long as you keep your carbohydrate intake below 20g/day.

If you are not low-carbing but eating "traditional bodybuilder style" or GLAD-style, you still want to keep your insulin response down so that your body doesn't prioritize fat accumulation. I'd focus on eating low-glycemic carbohydrates and trying my best to eat my meals on-time, tracking everything. After a month of eating healthy, I'll have a good idea how many calories I'm eating per day, and can evaluate my progress to determine if I need to raise, lower, or maintain my caloric intake.

Remember MEMAR: Measure, Experiment, Measure, Adjust, Repeat! It's your body; it's your science project.

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Re: Protein

Postby omaragha on Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:09 pm

marochka_raduga wrote:
omaragha wrote:Hi, I know how to take protein in without shakes I just sometimes cant be bothered to cook is all.
Then just know that you are choosing not to be bothered with getting maximal results. That's fine. But it's your choice. Nobody said it'd be easy to do without being "bothered".

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. Right?


Why is that ? Not that I am challenging you just curious, that if I get the protein I need from any source then what is the problem with that ?
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Re: Protein

Postby omaragha on Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:18 pm

redgiki wrote:
omaragha wrote:...I just sometimes cant be bothered to cook is all.


Do what I do: Cook just a couple of times per week. Load up the grill with hamburgers, chicken breast, fish, etc. Just go on a cooking frenzy for like one hour. Hamburgers cook in 5-6 minutes; fish and chicken a little longer, but 10 minutes tops. On my big George Foreman, I can whip up a week's worth of protein in around one hour; on my outdoor grille, even more.

Next, spend an hour shopping. Pick up your high-protein & high-fat convenience foods as well as your carb sources: pork rinds, dry-roasted edamame, nuts, hard cheeses, frozen or fresh berries, lots of tuna, sliced pre-cooked ham, cream cheese, veggies, etc.

Now, take one more hour and pre-package this stuff into meals for the week. I cut my chicken breast into 100g servings and wrap them in Glad sandwich bags. Same with my burgers, though I usually put a slice of cheese in with them because if I'm eating a hamburger, I need the fat anyway. I wrap up my walnuts and edamame in 30g servings in those Glad bags, too.

That's it. 3 hours a week, and you have a whole week's worth of protein ready-to-eat. Chuck in some broccoli with your lunches, as broccoli self-steams in the microwave, and keep salad fixings ready so you can just chop them up and toss them in a big 1-gallon bag to take to work/school/whatever.

The only prep work I have to do on a daily basis is to chop up my salad fixings (they bruise and taste gross after a couple of days if sliced too far in advance) and if I'm eating my tuna with mayo or cream cheese, I have to mix that. It's not "cooking" by any means, but preparing my meals for the day is perhaps a 10 or 15-minute daily discipline.

You certainly don't have to cook every day to eat like a body builder. Cooking once a week and living on leftovers is how I live my life! Of course, the problem I have is that my kids will often grab my protein sources during the week if they are ready-cooked and convenient -- I don't object, I love for them to make healthy choices! -- so I really have to over-cook to have a hope of not cooking again mid-week.

On another note I have started using Fitday...


Great step. Fitday.com or thedailyplate.com tracking are a superb daily diligence that will serve you well. When you screw up your diet, if you track religiously, you'll know EXACTLY why something didn't work. I really messed up this week because we had too many sweets around the house (excuse alert! excuse alert!), and those Snickers bars are TRACKED, baby, yeah!

In order to gain lean mass and lose fat what should be my calorie intake a day ?


If you are low-carbing, ignore calories to start. Focus on eating enough fats to stay satiated, enough protein to meet your daily targets, and keep your carb count down to 30g/day or less until you're fat-adapted (usually a two-week process). If you are currently over-fat, eating low-carb will usually cause you to lose fat without any caloric restriction whatsoever. If you're obese, go ahead and put yourself on a five thousand calorie a day diet if you like, and you'll still drop substantial body fat -- NOT water weight! -- for the first couple of months as long as you keep your carbohydrate intake below 20g/day.

If you are not low-carbing but eating "traditional bodybuilder style" or GLAD-style, you still want to keep your insulin response down so that your body doesn't prioritize fat accumulation. I'd focus on eating low-glycemic carbohydrates and trying my best to eat my meals on-time, tracking everything. After a month of eating healthy, I'll have a good idea how many calories I'm eating per day, and can evaluate my progress to determine if I need to raise, lower, or maintain my caloric intake.

Remember MEMAR: Measure, Experiment, Measure, Adjust, Repeat! It's your body; it's your science project.

Regards,
Matt B.


Thanks Matt, that's is a tremendous amount of valuable information there, like I said I seem to have the weight training side nailed but it has always been my diet that has let me down. I find it extremely hard to keep my carbs low particularly at the less than 20 / 30g a day mark that you elude to above. In view of this I would like to try the GLAD style of dieting and see how I get on with that - is there one GLAD diet that you could kindly point me to ?

Again thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy post.

Omar.
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Re: Protein

Postby redgiki on Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:51 pm

omaragha wrote:I find it extremely hard to keep my carbs low particularly at the less than 20 / 30g a day mark that you elude to above. In view of this I would like to try the GLAD style of dieting and see how I get on with that - is there one GLAD diet that you could kindly point me to ?


We all find it hard to keep the carbs that low at first. The easiest way to do it is just to follow an Atkins-style induction for the first two weeks, and then start introducing new foods:
http://www.atkins.com/Phase1.html

Check the Approved Foods list, and if you only eat from that list, staying in the 20g-30g range is a breeze. Start adding in new foods one food per week, and you're well on your way to a varied, delicious diet you can sustain for the rest of your life.

I'm not an expert on GLAD, but you still want to eliminate white flour, white rice, sugar, sugar-alikes (corn syrup, molasses, etc.), and other high-glycemic foods from your diet, or keep their portions extremely small. Fiber helps slow the digestion of high-GI foods, too, reducing your body's insulin response.

One tip that Kris Gethen recommends for this kind of diet is to look at your portion sizes: a carbohydrate or protein is around the size of your fist when you look down at your plate, while a serving of vegetable is around the size of your open hand. Eat six servings of protein, three servings of carbohydrate, and three servings of vegetables per day. That will put you in the right neighborhood. Gethen has gotten great results with a seven-day-a-week cardio routine with 3 days of lifting for people following this kind of diet over twelve weeks for quite a number of people.

Higher carbohydrate diets work for a lot of people, but not for me.

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Re: Protein

Postby omaragha on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:18 pm

I really worry about the Atkins diet, last time I tried it I put on 10lbs.
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Re: Protein

Postby marochka_raduga on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:25 pm

omaragha wrote:Why is that ? Not that I am challenging you just curious, that if I get the protein I need from any source then what is the problem with that ?
Because you were designed to eat food, not synthesized chemicals. It's also expensive in the long run. But if you're rich, don't mind the insulin response (you won't mind I guess, if you are doing GLAD anyway), and can make sure that you're meeting all your nutritional requirements, go nuts. Personally, I find that I am not satisfied unless I eat real food and begrudge having to spend 20 grams of my protein allotment on a beverage that will leave me hungry in half an hour. My husband is really athletic and in fantastic shape, and he subsists on a diet that's probably 50% protein bars. When I cook for him, he eats it, but he can't be bothered if he can't piggyback on my efforts. Which could be part of the reason that he's having trouble adding more muscle, come to think of it.

Bottom line, you said yourself that you're not getting the results you want by doing what you're doing. To continue doing what you're doing and expect different results is the very definition of insanity. Not that I have any personal knowledge about that or anything... :roll:
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Re: Protein

Postby omaragha on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:20 pm

marochka_raduga wrote:
omaragha wrote:Why is that ? Not that I am challenging you just curious, that if I get the protein I need from any source then what is the problem with that ?
Because you were designed to eat food, not synthesized chemicals. It's also expensive in the long run. But if you're rich, don't mind the insulin response (you won't mind I guess, if you are doing GLAD anyway), and can make sure that you're meeting all your nutritional requirements, go nuts. Personally, I find that I am not satisfied unless I eat real food and begrudge having to spend 20 grams of my protein allotment on a beverage that will leave me hungry in half an hour. My husband is really athletic and in fantastic shape, and he subsists on a diet that's probably 50% protein bars. When I cook for him, he eats it, but he can't be bothered if he can't piggyback on my efforts. Which could be part of the reason that he's having trouble adding more muscle, come to think of it.

Bottom line, you said yourself that you're not getting the results you want by doing what you're doing. To continue doing what you're doing and expect different results is the very definition of insanity. Not that I have any personal knowledge about that or anything... :roll:


Good points and well made, your are right with respect to carrying on as I have before. I am and will change and am gaining lots of valuable information from you guys on here ( most pleased I found this little treasure trove :-)

I plan on trying out the GLAD diet to see how that works for me and adjusting if necessary. Atkins I didnt like before so dont think i will now and very low carbs just seems difficult for me. GLAD seems on paper to be the happy medium - we shall find out ! Everyone is different and will react in that manner to each diet anywho !
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Re: Protein

Postby BigBeck89 on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:52 pm

marochka_raduga wrote: Personally, I find that I am not satisfied unless I eat real food and begrudge having to spend 20 grams of my protein allotment on a beverage that will leave me hungry in half an hour.



amen to that! i could go through a tub of whey powder in one sitting and still be starving afterwards
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Re: Protein

Postby undertaker610 on Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:28 am

You should seek to take protein from as much sources as you can in a day. The more the better. Each source covers another for their lack of certain amino acids.

Including:
1/ Whey(supplements and dairy),egg protein
2/ Casein(supps and dairy), Animal protein (red meat,fish,poultry)
3/ Plant protein (grains,vegetables,legumes,fruits,seeds)
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